Can AD8318 CLPF pin be shorted to ground indefinately?

Can AD8318 CLPF pin be shorted to ground indefinately?  We are making a passive intermodulation tester which uses an automatic level control loop.  The loop incorporates a 50dBm power amplifier, an ADL5330 VGA, and an AD8318 Log Amp as described on Page 16 of the ADL5330 datasheet.  We are experiencing PA burnouts which have been traced to a nasty transient when the PA is energized.  This is pretty much the last thing which happens.  Essentially, since the PA was initially off, the ALC loop is railed out, commanding the VGA to produce maximum power when the PA comes on.

The PA we're buying isn't the most robust thing in the world, and it seems to have a damage threshold near (or perhaps below) the the level that would be required to produce maximum output if the PA turned out to have the minimum specified gain.  It other words, the minimum gain spec of the PA is 45dB, but they typically run 55dB or so.  There is no maximum damage spec, but we have seen them damaged at +6dBm of input power.  So, while we could add enough padding to the output of the ADL5330 to guarantee the PA wouldn't get damaged by the turn on transient, we might not have enough power to drive a PA that actually had a 45dB gain.  Sadly, for a while, we are simply going to have to live with this amplifier as it is.

To solve this problem, the first thing I tried was to turn off the AD8318 Log Amp via its ENBL pin, which is supposed to put the amp into a low current state.  However, to my dismay I've discovered the loop capacitor continues to charge--even when ENBL is held low.  So, I still get the same transient when the ENBL pin is brought high again.  Dang!

The next thing I tried was to short out CLPF on the AD8318.  I actually tried this with a pair of tweezers, and it seems to do exactly what I want:  shorting out the capacitor drives the VGA gain to its minimum value, effecting a level dip and allowing the PA to be turned on gracefully.  This effectively closes the loop--except that the loop capacitor is now being held at ground.  Once the PA is steady-state, the tweezers are removed, unshorting the capacitor, and allowing the power level to nicely climb to the desired value.  This is much better for the PA than slamming it to the maximum value, and declining to the desired level.

BUT, it raised one last question:  Can the current source feeding CLPF in the AD8318 tolerate being shorted to ground indefinately without damage?  My guess is that, since we're talking about a controlled current source there is no restriction on the size of CLPF, it probably can.

I'm also curious why the ENBL pin does not perform as one might expect, and discharge CLPF to zero when ENBL is brought low.  Surely other people are bothered by this type of turn-on transient, yes?

Thanks for your help.

--andy robertson

design engineer


  • Hi Jim,


    Thanks for the quick response.   I think we may already have tried your

    suggestion of moving Vset to some high value (in our case 1.67V) and the

    spike was still there.  Based on my experience with the AD8318, it

    doesn't seem to matter what Vset is if there is no detected signal.

    Under these circumstances, I have only seen CLPF charge all the way to

    the rail making it spike no matter what Vset is.  Perhaps we did not go

    high enough, but I'd be surprised.  I'll let you know what happens...


    If Vbceo of some current mirror transistor is exceeded when CLPF is

    shorted out, how is this different from when CLPF is simply discharged?

    Does this mean the transistor will evenually fail during normal

    operation with large loop filter capacitors?



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    •  Analog Employees 
    on Feb 5, 2011 12:20 AM

                          The part can’t handle the direct dc connection.  It can handle the ac swing. If you look at figure 5 on page 8, in the AD8318 datasheet, you see that 1.67 volts corresponds to an input power of ~ -53 dBm and the AD8318 will still try and close the loop.

    2.0 V is – 60 dBm. ( ~ -60 dBm is the noise floor)  You need to get beyond the noise floor, 2.0 V in the case of the AD8318. Applying 2.5 V to VSET will ensure that the VGA will be kept in the minimum gain state. You might need to adjust the divider between the AD5621 and the AD8318 to achieve this. 

    It is the steady dc current draw that affects the Vbceo. The charging/ discharging of the capacitor is of such short duration that it isn’t an issue.

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    •  Analog Employees 
    on Aug 2, 2018 4:21 PM
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