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ADTR1107 Power Droop

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The user is developing a system with multiple ADTR1107 FE ICs and is concerned about power droop on the +5V rail during TDD mode. The final answer suggests using a 4.7uF capacitor per ADTR1107 and pulsing the gate instead of the drain to manage the power supply, as seen in the ADAR1000EVAL1Z (STINGRAY) reference design. The accompanying answer confirms that gate pulsing reduces the delta I on the +5V rail, addressing the power droop issue.

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Hello,

I'm currently developing a system that includes a number of ADTR1107 FE ICs all connected to the same voltage rails. Considering only the +5V rail that feeds the PAs and that one it's supposed to fully turn the PAs on and off in TDD mode I was doing some calculations to see if any extra bulk capacitance is needed for the system to work without significant power droop.

If I consider a max. droop of 5% of the VDD=5V, IDD=370mA and a PRF of 10kHz and D=1/3 I easily end up requiring hundreds of uF per each ADTR1107 which, given the tight space constraints, proves to be quite hard to position in the cell layout.

Do you have any suggestion regarding this topic?

BR,

G.

  • You might find this reference design useful. 

     

    It consists of 32 x ADTR1107 along with 8 x ADAR1000. In this design, we gave each ADTR1107 a 4.7uF capacitor and powered all 32 devices from a single 5V supply. I don't believe that we looked at the power supply droop in detail. But this system has been widely deployed and used and this has not come up as an issue. The closest thing I could find is Rx to Tx settling time with the input power set to -7dBm (that would be an output power from ADTR1107 of around +13 dBm). This plot is in the dataset 

    ADAR1000EVAL1Z Data Set [Analog Devices Wiki]

    On the wiki site, you can find more information about the design including a full schematic.

    There is one other point that I should make that is probably relevant. In your calculations, are you assuming that you will Turn VDD on during each RF pulse, that is, pulse on the drain? Maybe this is where the large cap numbers are coming from. When using ADTR1107 in a large array, we recommend pulsing on the gate. This means that you always have 5V present at the VDD PA pin. In the reference design the 4.7uF cap that is right at the device acts as a local current reservoir which can re-charge during the Rx phase. 

    - Eamon

     

  • Indeed, if we stick to gate pulsing the +5V rail is only seeing the delta I of the PA's drains being turned on and off when performing the TRX transition. Thanks for the prompt answer!

  • On second thought, after reviewing the timing sequence for the ADAR+ADTR combination, when switching from RX to TX the VDD rail is still seeing the full IDDq growing from 0A to, say, 370mA, and that scales with the number of ADTR deployed. If one assumes the PRF is higher than the SMPS bandwidth then the bulk capacitance needs to sustain the drain for the whole D/PRF time, no matter whether it's the drain or the gate being pulsed.

    By plugging the values above in the usual C=dI*dt/dv equation gives, for example, that a 4.7uF per device lets the VDD drop by 50% thus introducing a significant AM (and possibly PM) modulation in the first part of the pulse. Now, I trust the hardware over my calculations, but I'd still like to get my modeling of this effect straight, perhaps I'm missing something?

  • Ping? This forum software is atrocious, I got a notification stating the discussion is awaiting for my follow-up...

  • I simulated the turn on behavior in LT Spice by switching in and out a 14 ohm load resistor (5V supply 350 mA of VDD current). I am not seeing massive droop on the VDD line. What we do see is that there is droop on the resistor voltage and current if you introduce source resistance to the power supply. Note that in the real application, if you are gate pulsing, there is not switch in the drain path. For the purposes of simulation, I have an ideal switch and a load resistor the mimic the resistance of the VDD pin changing as you take the gate voltage from pinch-off to drain turn on. 

    Eamon 

    ADTR1107 Turn On.asc