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IF current and biasing for low frequency

Category: Hardware
Product Number: ADL5801

Building downconverter with low IF, 15...300kHz, next schematic is planned:

Unclear moment from datasheet:

1. Is it correct, that there are internal 125 Ohm resistors, so adding 50 Ohm bias makes differential output impedance 2x(50||125) = 2x35,7 Ohm?

1a. What are the reasons for that 50 Ohm resistor value? They can provide 3.75V com.-mode voltage for <25mA only.

2. There is data about consumption current (80-140mA at -30...+5dBm RF when VSET driven from DETO due to fig.91),  but no separate data about IF current. Is it correct that almost all shown current flows equally into IF pins, with minor contribution of other supply inputs? So I must consider 40...70mA per each IF bias resistor? Some users state typical 25mA per pin, which is far from that.

For that currents, 50 Ohm at 5V allows no 3.75V common-mode voltage. Rising output supply looks unreliable (if IC under some conditions "doesn't want" that 40mA, voltage at IF pin rises above abs. max.), so I need quite large inductor/transformer (undesired by other design issues), or maybe some active bias circuit may be fine?

Or it is ok to use (5-3.75)V/70mA_max = 18 Ohm bias, like that weird-looking 10 Ohm in AD8342 datasheet? Signal voltage will be dropped.

Some users advice not to use VSET-DETO connection for resistive IF bias, but to set fixed VSET. Anyway, what exact value? Can't find IF currents to select resistors; tables 4,5 give only "mixer supply current", and if it is our bias current, still too large for 50 Ohm.

  • I've read through the ADL5801 datasheet and find that the documentation on the IF output is very vague and incomplete. To proceed, I think that you will need to get an evaluation board and hook it up in the “low frequency” mode, that is, with 50 ohm pull-ups on the IF output. My guess is that you will see around 3.75 V common mode on both outputs indicating that the current into the IF output pins is around 25 mA. If that is working properly, then I think that the next step is set up your differential amplifier so that the inverting and non-inverting pins are also sitting at around 3.75V (so that the input resistors to the diff amp are not pulling dc current). 

    It is unclear to me what the output impedance of the IF pins in combination with the external 50 ohm resistors is. The datasheet suggests 50||125 but I'm not certain that this is the case. 

    This is an old part and as a result, it's difficult to find additional documentation for it. So as I suggested, I think that you best bet is to get an evaluation board and start from there. 

  • ok to close out this support ticket?