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The issue of difficulty in achieving lock when connecting the ADF4159 and ADF5901 via the SDP-S board.

Category: Hardware
Product Number: ADF4159

Hi,

We designed a 2T8R system using the ADF4159, ADF5901, and two ADF5904 chips. In the design, the DATA and CLK lines are shared among the four chips. The two ADF5904 chips share a single LE line, while the other LE lines are individually controlled. The ADF5901 and ADF5904 share a common CE line, while the ADF4159 has a separate CE line. The DOUT line is shared between the ADF5901 and ADF5904, and the MUXOUT line is shared between the ADF5901 and ADF4159. Please refer to the attached schematic for details.
We then connected our board to the SDP-S board using a 120-pin interface to operate and control the system, utilizing the EV-RADAR-MMIC operation software. We used the ADIsimPLL software for design simulation. However, we encountered difficulties in achieving lock-in. Occasionally, we could achieve lock-in, but most of the time, it failed. We are unsure of the cause and would appreciate any insights. We are also uncertain whether this issue is related to hardware problems.
Thanks
Regards.
  • Hi, 

    When you disable the ramp and set the ADF4159 and ADF5901 to fixed 24GHz , can ADF4159 achieve lock consistently? 

    Thanks,

    Emrecan

  • Hi Emrecan,

        Currently, it's quite strange. No matter how I set it up, there's no output from ADF5901. The voltage fluctuates between 0.43 and 0.61.

        Thanks

        Best Regards

        opensky

  • Hi Opensky,

    Can we make sure that SPI communication is present with the chips? 

    - Can you try changing MUXOUT of ADF4159 to logic low and logic high and measure the MUXOUT (Pin 17) of the ADF4159? If read voltage value follows the SPI settings, we are sure that SPI communication is present to ADF4159

    - Repeat above test for ADF5901

    - For ADF5904, power down and power up all the channels and observe the current consumption. If current consumptions tracks the register settings, we are sure that SPI is present . 

    I assume that 0.43 and 0.63 value are the voltage value at Vtune input of the ADF5901. It is low for a fixed frequency operation. We expect 1.5 - 1.8 volt around this pin. 

    Next step is debugging the N Divider and R divider outputs. Please follow steps in the below file for PLL Debug.

    After ADF4159 and ADF5901 are locked to a fixed frequency, we can debug ramp generation issues. 

    Thanks,

    Emrecan

  • Hi Emrecan,

         --MUXOUT of ADF4159:

                  DVdd:1.94V/GND:0.14V

                  R-Divider:100MHz,0.69V

                  Disgital Lock Detect:1.94V

        --MUXOUT of ADF5901:

                 If IO Level:1.8V

                  Logic High:3.43V/Logic Low:1.84V/R-Divider:100MHz,3.47V

                 If IO Level:3.3V

                  Logic High:2.07V/Logic Low:0.12V/R-Divider:100MHz,1.83V

       --ADF5904:

                  By controlling CE, the current has a significant change from 0.67A to 0.13A.( ADF5901 and ADF5904 share one CE control, while ADF4159 has another CE control.)

            The Vtune value sometimes reads 3.3V and other times 1.7V, but the RF output of ADF5901 is consistently absent.

             We will continue to debug according to the provided documentation.

             Thanks

             Best Regards 

            Opensky

  • Hi Opensky,

    Thanks for the measurements. Does the R-Divider of the ADF5901 output 100MHz? According to screen shot you have sent, reference frequency is 50MHz and R doubler is disabled. measuring 100MHz from R divider output is strange. Can you make sure R divider and R doubler is set correctly in ADF5901.

    Thanks,

    Emrecan

  • Hi Emrecan,

        The board we designed had the MUX of ADF4159 and ADF5901 connected together. Now they have been separated. The R Divider output of ADF4159 is 100MHz, but the R Divider output of ADF5901 is sometimes 1.5MHz and sometimes not detectable at all, while it should normally be 50MHz.

       Their settings are as shown in the figure below:

        Thanks

        Best Regards

        opensky

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