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AD8339 simulation

Category: Hardware
Product Number: AD8339
Software Version: LTspice XVII

Hello, 

I am trying to simulate a simple application of AD8333 but have been unsuccessful. My 4*LO input is a 20 MHz sine wave (differential, 3 V peak to peak). The common-mode dc value to the 4*LO pins is about 2.5 V (as in figure 61 in the datasheet). to RF pins I have applied a 5 MHz sine wave (0.2 V amplitude). The common-mode voltage to the RF pins is also just about 2.5 V (as in figure 60 in the datasheet). At the output, I am using AD8021 for I-V conversion. I am not interested in filtering out the oscillations in the I and Q signals so I have the bandwidth of the low pass filter in the I-V conversion stage set to around 20 MHz (10 pF capacitor and 787 Ohm resistor).

My problem is that when I examine the output, I do not see oscillations that resemble the result of mixing (baseband signal + sinusoidal waveforms at twice the of the local oscillator signal). Since my baseband signal is DC, I expected my outputs for I and Q channels to be DC + sinusoids at twice the RF frequency. Instead, at the output of the I-V conversion stage, the simulation does not produce what I expected. There are oscillations but they are not sinusoidal. 

When I modulate the amplitude of the RF signal with a 1 MHz baseband signal, I still have a similar problem. 

This is my first time working with this part. I do not know if these are the outputs I should expect or if I a making an error with my simulation. 

I have looked at previous posts about similar problems but the threads appear to have been closed but the solutions were not provided there. 

I would be grateful for any help. 

I am attaching a zipped folder of my LTspice XVII schematic, as well as the spice models of the parts I have used in the simulation. 

Thanks. 4353.ad8333 test.zip

  • Hi,

    Can you please share the LTspice circuit you would like to simulate along with the .asy files and .cir files of the parts you included in your simulation?  The .zip that you have attached appears to be missing some items and the .asc file voltages, signals, and op-amps do not match your explanation in your inquiry.

    The AD8333 SPICE model is complex and with it not being a part of the LTspice library by default, I will see what I can do to assist you with the simulation, but we can also add this part to our queue to be worked on and then included in LTspice's library.

    Regards,

    Dan

  • Hi Dan, 

    Thank you for your reply. 

    I have noticed I had zipped and attached a slightly different file. 

    Please find the attachment described in my previous query.

    With the simulation, I want to establish the nature of the unfiltered output from the transimpedance stage, before I consider using the part in my design for another application. 

    I hope this file contains everything that you will need to assist. 

    Thank you once again. 

    3666.ad8333 test.zip

  • Hi,

    The .asc file still doesn’t match the details in your query, but in your attached .asc, if you have "a" and "b" inputs rather than the mod and -mod inputs and make "a" and "b" 1.1MHz, the outputs of the TIAs have the correct frequency components as shown in the pictures below (~2.2MHz):

     

    As well as the expected 100kHz (|4MHz/4 – 1.1MHZ|)

    Regards,

    Dan

  • Hi, 

    Once again, thank you for your reply.

    Sorry, I failed to send a file that correctly matches the details of the query. I forgot to correctly specify the frequencies I indicated in the query. In any case, it is the working principle I needed help with and fortunately, any choice of 4*LO and RF frequencies can still help. 

    I have been getting results similar to the ones you have attached, so I thought that I either had a problem with my simulation approach or I misunderstood how the part is supposed to operate. I expected the output to be similar to what I have illustrated below: 

    Based on what you have shown, I am afraid that I may have misunderstood what the part is meant to do and how it is meant to do it. 

    Do you have any suggestions for parts that can be used to do what I have illustrated in the figure, save for discrete analog multipliers? The frequency ranges should be more or less similar to those of AD8333.