ADL5380

Hi Ankita,

• I responded to the other forum thread with some additional guidance for akshay92; please review.
• You should connect the 500 ohm differential load impedance in place of R7x and R6x. No additional terminations are needed.
• Also, be careful connecting the baseband outputs into a 50 ohm oscilloscope, because DC voltage will be present. Depending upon oscilloscope, you could exceed the maximum input limit. It's best to observe the baseband outputs with high impedance probes or a DMM, since it's a DC voltage.
• For the LO/RF signals there will be no issue using 50 ohm impedance test equipment or oscilloscope with 50 ohm input setting.

Best Regards,

David

Thank you Sir for the quick response.

I have a doubt regarding outputs. When i am connecting the Ip and Qp to the oscilloscope ports and when i am switching ON the 5V supply only, the output voltage obtained is Ip = 1.7V and Qp= 1.84v. Can you explain me what exactly is this output??

Sir,  what should be the Rf and Lo power range if my operating frequency is 5.81 Ghz? 

Hi Ankita,

It seems as though the chip may be damaged because supply current has changed drastically and you are not getting good results.

To proceed, my recommendation would be the following:

1. Obtain a new evaluation board.
2. Markup the attached schematic with your intended changes and post here for review.
3. Also, post your intended measurement setup for review.
4. If you perform voltage checks on the evaluation board, please markup the various points on the schematic for review.

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Thanks,

David

Ok sir. But what could be the reason for the damage sir? Actually i was experiencing a severe shock on output ports but then i turned off the device immediately. And after an hour when i turned on the device the current was 160 mA 

I'm not sure how the damage occurred. It's just a hypothesis, but earlier in your testing, I believe you had connected an oscilloscope with 50 ohm impedance to the baseband ports, and this may have over stressed the baseband output transistors.

If you receive a shock while touching an evaluation board, you should check all your supply connections and voltages and to be sure there is no elevated voltages, ground loops, or floating ground connections. Also, be sure to wear an ESD wrist strap protection when working with this device.

Ok sir

Thank you so much sir

Sir, since my requirement is single ended I and Q 50 ohm outputs each at Lo/Rf freq 5.81 Ghz for phase detection 

can i use HMC8193 IQ mixer for phase detection as an IQ DEMODULATOR?Below i am attaching a link of the module for your reference?

www.mouser.in/.../EV1HMC8193LC4

Hi Ankita,

The HMC8193 could potentially be used for DC output applications. A few things to note, 1) it is a passive mixer, which would require a large LO drive level of +18dBm; and 2) the output ports must not exceed 6mA sourcing or sink current.

What is driving the requirement for 50 ohm transmission line impedance? When comparing phase between two signals of the same frequency, the output is a DC voltage, which would normally not precipitate requiring a 50 ohm transmission line impedance.

Best Regards,

David

Thank you sir for your valuable response.

A 5.81Ghz oscillator drives an output power of 10 dbm of 50 ohm impedance and this power will be given to the splitter and one output of the splitter with power around 8 dbm will be given to LO of IQ demodulator and other output of splitter to transmitting antenna.

At the receiver Antenna, the power obtained will be given to the RF port of I Q Demodulator.

So i need 50 ohm impedance at input side

and since the output will be DC i thing impedance will not matter.

so if i  use amplifier then i can drive LO and use HMC8193?

Correct me if i am wrong?

Hi Ankita,

That's correct. For the input signals (RF and LO) you would use 50 ohms, and the baseband output would be high impedance.

You could use an amplifier for the LO if you decide to go with the HMC8193.

Best Regards,

David

Ok Thank you Sir.

That means for phase detection i can use IQ Mixer.

Do you have any reference readings for HMC8193?

You're welcome. Unfortunately, I do not have any DC output data on the HMC8193 under your test conditions.

You're welcome. Unfortunately, I do not have any DC output data on the HMC8193 under your test conditions.

Ok 

Thank you Sir.

Can you share the readings for other conditions? 

Hi Ankita,

I checked, we do not have DC output data on the HMC8193.

Best Regards,

David

Ok sir 

Thank you sir.

Hi David,

I have few doubts regarding the load resistor and regarding output at I and Q SMA PORTS.

1. What should be the exact value for load resistor at R7x and R6x? Is it 200 ohms or 500 ohms?

2. During the test of ADL5380, what we did was through DMM we measured the output value of I and Q across R6x and R7x ( 500 ohm resistor at each R6x and R7X) but we were unable to test across SMA connectors. 

Please correct me if we are doing anything wrong?

How is it possible to get the outputs at SMA ports?

Hi Ankita,

• Yes, that's correct, the resistor should be between 200 and 500 ohms.
• It is possible using SMA to BNC connections to use the SMA ports, but you would neglect the grounding on these cables and connect the center pin conductor of each cable to each input of the DMM.
• It may be easier just to use DMM test probes or solder on small wires to the resistor and then use clip leads to connect to the DMM. Since it's DC, there will be no concern regarding inductance of the cables, clip leads, etc.
• Another possibility is to use two DMM's for the I resistor and two for the Q resistor, connecting to the SMA ports. You would then measure the absolute voltage on each baseband output and subtract the voltages: IP - IN and QP - QN. This method would give you the voltage across the resistors.

Best Regards,

David

Ok 

Thanks David . Will try this and if need help will get back to you.

Hi David,

I integrated Adl5380 with instrumentational amplifier to obtain single ended output.

The problem which i am facing now is

1. Current is fluctuating from 170 mA to 200 mA.

2. When i am switching ON the bias voltage(RF is OFF) the output across R6 shows 750mV and Output across R7 is 0v

According to my knowledge, the voltage across R6 and R7 at condition RF= Off should be 0.

Correct me if i am wrong.

 Thank you in advance.

Hi Ankita,

Is the supply current stable when you have an RF signal applied? Do you also have the LO signal applied? Are you able to get good results with both RF and LO it applied?

I'm not sure what we would expect with RF signal off. I think we would consider it an in-determinant state and it's possible that it sits at a particular bias due to it's previous state and/or the LO applied.

Best Regards,

David

Hi,

Thank you David for the prompt response.

No, the supply current keeps changing from 170 mA to 210mA 

Yes, I have applied Lo signal of -3 dbm 

The VOltage across VI i.e across R7 keeps changing according to different length cables at RF but voltage acrossR6 is same for all the conditions.

Hi Ankita,

It sounds like the chip may be damaged. Please replace the chip and see if the results are the same.

Also, please post a detailed schematic or block diagram of your configuration and setup for review.

Best Regards,

David