I have several questions about designing a circuit for AD8302 working in frequency range of 20 Hz to 50 MHz.
I highly appreciated to read your opinions.
1. according to AN-691 app note, for output ripple reducing we can put a capacitor as a filter (CFLT) on MFLT and PFLT pins. but the app note did not speak about how much this capacitor can be large!? the test results show a 1uF as CFLT. is it possible to using a large CFLT and how to calculate the proper value for it?
2. for input ac decoupling capacitors series with INPA and INPB pins, if i want to operate with a low frequency such as 20 Hz I have to use a large capacitor in range of 22u to 47u. according to the desire frequency range of operation, the circuit must be work till 50 Mhz so we have to use high speed op amps as analog front end circuits. the question is which high speed op amps can and how drive this large capacitor as a load?
also if I going to select a FET input high speed op amp with very large input impedance, I can design an ac coupling circuit with small value capacitor with Mega Ohm range resistor but choosing a larger resistor make some issues with parasitic characteristics and thermal noise and so on... so what cand we do about choosing the proper high speed op amp for analog front end of AD8302 if it works in a wide range frequency included the low one?
3. how much large the termination resistor on the signal side of the input coupling capacitor cab be choose?
4. also I have question about putting a 90 degree phase shifter that data sheet recommended in one input to make a better reading of phase differences. you know almost of the phase shifter operation related to frequency. you consider a active phase shifter based on an op amp. if you choose a fix RC and change the input frequency, then you have a different amount of phase shift.
so if I want to scan the freqency range from 20 Hz to 50 MHz, What phase shifter or programmable phase shifter circuit do you recommend to have a fix 90 degree phase shift in a range?
1. To work down to 20 Hz, the MFLT and PFLT capacitors must be quite large. A good, simple test to verify if the capacitors are large enough: put oscilloscope probe on the VMAG or VPHS output. If excess ripple is observed at 2x the input frequency, the MFLT or PFLT capacitor is too small.
2. Try using the device WITHOUT the op amp driver first. Datasheet page 2 shows 3k ohms input impedance. You still need large DC blocking capacitors, C1 and C5 on the eval board schematic. Also capacitors C4 and C6 must be larger also.
3. If referring to R1 and R2 on the Eval board, we use 52 Ohms. But this depends on the application.
4. I'm not aware of any circuits that give uniform 90-degree phase shift over such a broad frequency range.
Tanq for the reply
About your answers
1. Ok so I have to test several large caps till reaching proper ripple in low frequencies, is it right?
2. I have to use an analog front end circuit for conditioning sinwave inputs. Pls consider these notes about my working inpits condition.
First, my input that I want to use it as reference input for AD8302 has any amplitude between 1Vpp to 10Vpp and I need a conditioning circuit to keep its its amplitude on 30dbm. For aiming this I plan to use a discrete instrumenation amplifier based on AD8066 and a vga based on AD8337 and a buffer make by AD8065 and I have to couple this circuit to AD8302 by a large coupling capacitor in range of 22u to 47u.
Second, for the other input of AD8302, I need to expand of measurement dynamic range of AD8302 from 60dB to 140dB. For aiming this I plan to use two composite amplifier based on AD8067 and AD8007 with gain 100 that multiplex and buffered by AD8170 or AD8174.
So sounds that I can not use AD8302 without input active interface!!!!
4. About 90degree phase shift.
I plane to repeat my test two time. One with a reference signal with phase 0degree and second with reference signal with phase 90degree, instead of using a 90degree phase shifter.
I highly appreciated to have your opinion about my design and its requirements.
Dear Bruce, any suggestions!?
1. Datasheet page 16 shows an equation that can be used for estimating the CFLT on MFLT pin. Around 47uF should be a good starting point.
2. Be careful not to overdrive either AD8302 input. Datasheet page 2 shows the input voltage range, max is -13dBV, which would be 10^(-13/20)= 224mV rms.