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Charging Problem(Charging Time)

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The user designed a board similar to the DC2464A-B evaluation board but experiences a significantly longer charging time (24 seconds vs 2.4 seconds). The final answer suggests checking the charge current, which can be affected by the total resistance between ISNS_CHG and ISNSM, the load, and the inductor ripple current. The layout should closely match the demo board, and the current sense resistors should be Kelvin connected to avoid incorrect readings. Noise in the current sense resistor and the shunt regulator turning on due to cell voltage approaching the shunt regulation voltage (2.7V default) can also reduce the charge current.
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Category: Hardware
Product Number: LTC3351

Hello,

I designed a board that is almost identical to the DC2464A-B evaluation board.

The components are the same as well.

During testing,it takes about 24 seconds to fully charge,whereas the DC2464A-B completes charging in about 2.4 seconds.

I’m investigating the cause but haven’t found it yet.

If anyone knows, please tell me:the LTC3351 has registers.I’m configuring them with the QuikEval software.Is that sufficient by itself? Or is QuikEval alone not enough?

Also, please let me know other areas I should check.

Best Regards,

HiroSchna

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  • Hello,

    Things that affect the charging time. dt = CdV/dI. If the capacitance is the same, the set VCAP voltage is the same, then the only difference will be the charge current. The charge current is affected by a few things. The total resistance between ISNS_CHG and ISNSM multiplied by the total input current including the load. If the voltage across these pins start to increase close to 32mV then the charge current will be reduced. If there is a load that causes the charge current plus the load to approaches the maximum set input current, the charge current will be reduced. The full charge current is set by the resistance across the ICAP and VCAP pins. This sets an average charge current based on a 30% inductor ripple current. If the inductor is sized to produce a much larger ripple than the average charge current will be reduced. One of the most common issues is the layout. How close does the layout match the demo board? Were the recommended PCB layout recommendations listed in the datasheet followed? If the current sense resistors are not Kelvin connected or shared with other nodes than the voltage observed across either the input current sense resistor or the charger current sense resistor could be incorrect resulting in a lower charge current. Another problem could be noise being injected into the current sense resistor. This noise can also cause the voltage across the sense resistor to be higher than what it actually is and reduce the charge current. 

    I should mention one more thing. If for some reason the shunt regulator turn on because one of the cell voltages approaches the shunt regulation voltage (2.7V is the default) then the charge current will be reduced to prevent the high capacitor from exceeding the shunt regulation voltage. 

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  • Hello,

    Things that affect the charging time. dt = CdV/dI. If the capacitance is the same, the set VCAP voltage is the same, then the only difference will be the charge current. The charge current is affected by a few things. The total resistance between ISNS_CHG and ISNSM multiplied by the total input current including the load. If the voltage across these pins start to increase close to 32mV then the charge current will be reduced. If there is a load that causes the charge current plus the load to approaches the maximum set input current, the charge current will be reduced. The full charge current is set by the resistance across the ICAP and VCAP pins. This sets an average charge current based on a 30% inductor ripple current. If the inductor is sized to produce a much larger ripple than the average charge current will be reduced. One of the most common issues is the layout. How close does the layout match the demo board? Were the recommended PCB layout recommendations listed in the datasheet followed? If the current sense resistors are not Kelvin connected or shared with other nodes than the voltage observed across either the input current sense resistor or the charger current sense resistor could be incorrect resulting in a lower charge current. Another problem could be noise being injected into the current sense resistor. This noise can also cause the voltage across the sense resistor to be higher than what it actually is and reduce the charge current. 

    I should mention one more thing. If for some reason the shunt regulator turn on because one of the cell voltages approaches the shunt regulation voltage (2.7V is the default) then the charge current will be reduced to prevent the high capacitor from exceeding the shunt regulation voltage. 

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