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T2P behavior doesn't match the datasheet in AUX mode

Category: Hardware
Product Number: LT4294

Hi,
I'm using the following devices as a PoE system:

  • LT4321IUF#PBF: PoE Ideal Diode Bridge Controller
  • LT4294IDD#PBF: IEEE 802.3at PD Interface Controller
  • LT8645SEV#PBF: 8A, 65V Synchronous Step-Down Regulator

And I have a problem with the behavior of T2P signal.
When only(with no AUX) the PoE is connected to the system, everything works as it should, you can see in the following pictures the negotiation between the PSE and the PD (it is PoE++ Type 4 Class 8 - 71.3W):

- The yellow signal is OUTP voltage (input) and the green signal is T2P.


- You can see that after stabilization the T2P shows a duty cycle of 25% as written in the datasheet.





The problem appears when I connect an external power supply 15V, which is connected to the AUX pin on the LT4294, I don't get the desired T2P signal.

- The yellow signal is PWRGD on LT4294 and the green signal is T2P, you can see in picture that T2P does not behave as expected, in addition to that, it seems that there are iterations of negotiations that cause cyclical behavior of the T2P:


- Closer look of PWRGD and T2P:


- The yellow signal is OUTP voltage that seems like trying to start negotiation and the green signal is T2P:


-T2P expected behavior for AUX connection:



Im adding a picture of the design, hope it can help:

There are 2 PUs on T2P and PWRGD just for an option, only one of them assembled.


I would like to know what you think can cause the issue and is it normal function?
I hope I was able to illustrate the problem, I will be happy to provide more information if needed.

Thanks,
Daniel


  • Hi Daniel,

    My apologies for a delayed response. Per the LT4294 datasheet, the LT4294 expects a voltage between 8V and 60V at the VPORT pin during auxiliary operation. This requirement is usually met by the hotswap MOSFET's body diode pulling VPORT to HSSRC. It appears that VPORT is not pulled up by your auxiliary supply, so the part presents a valid detection signature and it is not until Classification that VPORT exceeds 8V and the part enters Auxiliary mode, which presents an invalid Classification signature so the cycle repeats.

    Best Regards,

    Eric

  • Hi Eric,
    Thanks for the response, correct, I saw that connection on DC2583A EVB, the question is can I connect the external power source before the MOSFET and not after? I mean straight to VPORT cause I have another PowerPath prioritizer for a different reason so I can connect the external power source to the same output path of LT4294.
    Please see picture below, instead of connecting to point no.1 I would like to connect it to point no.2 with D1 diode, is that possible?
    Thanks,
    Daniel

  • Hi Daniel,

    You can diode OR a voltage to the port assuming it is above 37V, however I don't think you would still use the AUX pin as this shuts down the hotswap MOSFET when pulled high. To the LT4294, your auxiliary supply OR'd to VPORT would look like a Type 1, 13W PSE so you may need a separate signal to indicate an auxiliary supply is connected. You should also make sure your input bridges will not backfeed. I recommend an LT4321-based ideal diode bridge solution. 

    Best Regards,

    Eric