LTC2952 with incorrect push button

Karlson

on Oct 18, 2021

Dear EZ,

I use LTC2952 in configuration B in many my circuits and it works flawlessly.

Now I have a task to create a prioritized power path controller not with a push button but with a rotary switch with "make before break" functionality. Due to some circuit restrictions I can't use a one shot pulse generator to create a valid push button event when a rotary switch changes its position from OFF to ON and vice versa (let's assume that in ON position switch can only pull down to ground and in OFF position it goes Hi-Z). I've modeled a case where device is turned on via a PB pin going low and I shut down the device via applying a zero to !KILL input when an external MCU detects that switch was turned to OFF position. I don't need !INT at all.

So my question is: is it ok to leave a PB pin low for an infinite time? Any drawbacks or surprises?

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[edited by: Karlson at 6:34 PM (GMT -4) on 25 Oct 2021]

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Ashapiro
Oct 25, 2021 +1 verified
Karlson said:
So my question is: is it ok to leave a PB pin low for an infinite time? Any drawbacks or surprises?

There shouldn't be any surprises. PB# acts on a falling edge, which doesn't happen if it…

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on Oct 25, 2021 6:28 PM
Karlson said:
So my question is: is it ok to leave a PB pin low for an infinite time? Any drawbacks or surprises?

There shouldn't be any surprises. PB# acts on a falling edge, which doesn't happen if it is held low.
Out of curiosity, what config are you using? (A,B,C, or D)
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0 Karlson
on Oct 25, 2021 6:33 PM in reply to Ashapiro
As I mentioned:

Karlson said:
I use LTC2952 in configuration B
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on Oct 25, 2021 6:33 PM in reply to Karlson
Sorry, glazed over that detail.

Maybe take your circuit for a spin in LTspice to see if it works like you think it does.
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on Oct 25, 2021 6:43 PM in reply to Ashapiro

Ashapiro said:
Maybe take your circuit for a spin in LTspice to see if it works like you think it does.

Already done and I think everything works fine, but I tried to simulate 2952 some time ago in some exotic configuration and model did not behave as a real part did, that's why I ask my question.

Here is my current .asc:

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0 Karlson

on Oct 25, 2021 6:43 PM in reply to Ashapiro

Ashapiro said:
Maybe take your circuit for a spin in LTspice to see if it works like you think it does.

Already done and I think everything works fine, but I tried to simulate 2952 some time ago in some exotic configuration and model did not behave as a real part did, that's why I ask my question.

Here is my current .asc:

Version 4
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WIRE 320 -576 256 -576
WIRE 64 -512 0 -512
WIRE 560 -464 128 -464
WIRE 0 -432 -16 -432
WIRE 320 -432 320 -576
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TEXT 496 704 Left 2 !.tran 20 startup

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