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Purpose and placement of external clamp network (BAV70 / SMBJ75A-13) in N-MOSFET passive balancing implementation

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The user inquired about the purpose and placement of external clamp components (BAV70 and SMBJ75A-13) in the EVAL-ADBMS6830BMSW schematic. The final answer clarified that these components are primarily for transient suppression, especially for higher potential cells (from Cell 7 upward) to prevent surge damage. The SMBJ75A-13 is used to avoid leakage through the BAV70 diodes. For external passive balancing with N-channel MOSFETs, the clamp network can be added to all channels, but it may introduce minor leakage. The balancing resistor value (10 ohm vs. 15 ohm) and capacitor (100 nF vs. 0.22 uF) differ based on the required balancing current. ADI offers dedicated support for FSAE student groups.
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Hello,

We are currently redesigning our ADBMS6830B-based BMS for a Formula Student EV, and I would like to ask for clarification about the clamp network used in the EVAL-ADBMS6830BMSW schematic:

I have reviewed the ADBMS6830B datasheet and the evaluation board schematic, but I still do not fully understand the purpose and design criteria of the external clamp components, especially the BAV70 devices and the SMBJ75A-13.

My main questions are the following:

  1. External clamp usage
    In the ADBMS6830B datasheet I do not see an explicit requirement to use external clamp devices such as BAV70 or SMBJ75A-13 on the S pins or balancing network.
    The datasheet mentions that the IC is hot plug tolerant without external protection, and it also shows internal protection structures in the internal protection section.
    Because of this, I am not sure in which situations these external clamp components are actually required, recommended, or optional.
  2. Why are these clamp components only used from around Cell 7 upward in the evaluation board
    In the EVAL-ADBMS6830BMSW schematic, the BAV70 clamp network appears only on the upper channels, and there is also an SMBJ75A-13 on the clamp rail.
    I do not understand why this is only implemented from approximately Cell 7 and above, instead of on every balancing channel.

Is this related to the absolute voltage potential of the upper cells with respect to V minus?
In other words, is the reason that from Cell 7 upward the common-mode voltage becomes high enough that additional external clamping is useful or necessary, while for the lower cells it is not?

  1. Can these parts be replaced by other devices
    I have seen comments on the forum suggesting that these devices may be replaceable with other components, but I would like to understand the actual design target first:
    Are these parts intended mainly for ESD, transient suppression, hot-plug stress, balancing switch protection, or some other specific condition?
  2. Use with external passive balancing MOSFETs
    For our design, we are implementing passive balancing with external N-channel MOSFETs, following the concept shown in Figure 40 of the datasheet.
    Because I did not fully understand the reason for placing the clamp only on the upper channels in the eval board, I initially added the clamp network on every SxP and SxN pair in our redesign.
    I would like to know whether this makes sense, or whether it may introduce unnecessary leakage, distortion, or other side effects in the measurement and balancing paths.

  1. Difference between datasheet figures and eval board values
    I also noticed that the component values used in the eval board differ significantly from the values shown in the datasheet figures:
  • In the functional block diagram, the balancing-related resistors are shown as 10 ohm and the capacitor as 100 nF.
  • In the evaluation board schematic, I see 15 ohm resistors and 0.22 uF capacitors in the balancing-related path.
    I understand that the functional block diagram is not necessarily intended as a design-ready application schematic, but I would still appreciate clarification on the practical design guidance here.
  1. Figure 40 issue
    I have already seen another forum post indicating that Figure 40 in the datasheet contains an error, because the 10 nF capacitor is drawn from V minus to S1N, while it should actually be connected to C1.
    We have already taken this into account in our redesign.

Since ADI is one of our sponsors, we would like to document this topic properly and avoid any major design mistake before finalizing the new board.
If useful, we can also share our updated schematic by email for review.

Thank you very much in advance for any clarification.

Best regards,

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    1. External clamp usage
      In the ADBMS6830B datasheet I do not see an explicit requirement to use external clamp devices such as BAV70 or SMBJ75A-13 on the S pins or balancing network.
      The datasheet mentions that the IC is hot plug tolerant without external protection, and it also shows internal protection structures in the internal protection section.
      Because of this, I am not sure in which situations these external clamp components are actually required, recommended, or optional.
    2. Why are these clamp components only used from around Cell 7 upward in the evaluation board
      In the EVAL-ADBMS6830BMSW schematic, the BAV70 clamp network appears only on the upper channels, and there is also an SMBJ75A-13 on the clamp rail.
      I do not understand why this is only implemented from approximately Cell 7 and above, instead of on every balancing channel.

    Is this related to the absolute voltage potential of the upper cells with respect to V minus?
    In other words, is the reason that from Cell 7 upward the common-mode voltage becomes high enough that additional external clamping is useful or necessary, while for the lower cells it is not?

    These diodes are for surge protection. Surge transients generated during bus bar connection, DC fast charging, or inverter spikes in the system with ADBMS6830B. To prevent current from flowing into the internal protection circuit from these surge event and damaging IC channels we have this BAV70 +SMB diodes installed. 
    The diodes are attached to higher channels only since they are the ones with highest potential (and hence highest current flow) and if we can clamp those voltages down to a safe level below abs max the part will be able to survive. Normally when there is a surge, they get divided among all channels but since higher channels are already at a higher potential, the voltage (and current flowing) there gets comparably bigger than the lower channel. This is the reason why we add them to the higher channels from S8 to top channel. SMBJ75A is added so that there won't always be leakage through the diodes attached to the S-Channels (since they are forward biased) which will cause measurement errors, and this diode will only get activated when there is a surge transient above 121V.

    The green marked voltages are voltage of that node when surge happens; RED is the current flowing at each node. As you can see the highest channel has the highest current flow, then the second biggest is the channel below that, and so on.S8 is when the current is low enough that it will not damage the internal structure even in the vent of surge.

    Are these parts intended mainly for ESD, transient suppression, hot-plug stress, balancing switch protection, or some other specific condition?

    These are mainly for transient suppression as mentioned above. You can use any part similar to BAV70 for this purpose.

    For our design, we are implementing passive balancing with external N-channel MOSFETs, following the concept shown in Figure 40 of the datasheet.
    Because I did not fully understand the reason for placing the clamp only on the upper channels in the eval board, I initially added the clamp network on every SxP and SxN pair in our redesign.

    For FSAE designs external balancing is not really necessary, but if you need more than 300mA of balancing current you can design external balancing circuit. Your circuit can have the footprint for all the clamps and later during testing if you observe damages due to surge you can start populating them later. You r circuit here makes sense, there might be small leakage due to the TVS at higher temperatures but even then it will not cause any major error in measurement. 

    1. Difference between datasheet figures and eval board values
      I also noticed that the component values used in the eval board differ significantly from the values shown in the datasheet figures:
    • In the functional block diagram, the balancing-related resistors are shown as 10 ohm and the capacitor as 100 nF.
    • In the evaluation board schematic, I see 15 ohm resistors and 0.22 uF capacitors in the balancing-related path.
      I understand that the functional block diagram is not necessarily intended as a design-ready application schematic, but I would still appreciate clarification on the practical design guidance here.

    The balancing resistor value depends on the balancing current you will need in your system. This value is custom for each user according to the maximum balancing current needed. if you use lower balancing resistor you will have more balancing current for the same battery voltage. the datasheet figure and eval board figures are different because of this reason. 

    Since ADI is one of our sponsors, we would like to document this topic properly and avoid any major design mistake before finalizing the new board.
    If useful, we can also share our updated schematic by email for review.

    If you are an FSAE student, please check your document package from ADI for the email to reach out for support. We have a dedicated team for helping ADI sponsored FSAE student groups. 

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    1. External clamp usage
      In the ADBMS6830B datasheet I do not see an explicit requirement to use external clamp devices such as BAV70 or SMBJ75A-13 on the S pins or balancing network.
      The datasheet mentions that the IC is hot plug tolerant without external protection, and it also shows internal protection structures in the internal protection section.
      Because of this, I am not sure in which situations these external clamp components are actually required, recommended, or optional.
    2. Why are these clamp components only used from around Cell 7 upward in the evaluation board
      In the EVAL-ADBMS6830BMSW schematic, the BAV70 clamp network appears only on the upper channels, and there is also an SMBJ75A-13 on the clamp rail.
      I do not understand why this is only implemented from approximately Cell 7 and above, instead of on every balancing channel.

    Is this related to the absolute voltage potential of the upper cells with respect to V minus?
    In other words, is the reason that from Cell 7 upward the common-mode voltage becomes high enough that additional external clamping is useful or necessary, while for the lower cells it is not?

    These diodes are for surge protection. Surge transients generated during bus bar connection, DC fast charging, or inverter spikes in the system with ADBMS6830B. To prevent current from flowing into the internal protection circuit from these surge event and damaging IC channels we have this BAV70 +SMB diodes installed. 
    The diodes are attached to higher channels only since they are the ones with highest potential (and hence highest current flow) and if we can clamp those voltages down to a safe level below abs max the part will be able to survive. Normally when there is a surge, they get divided among all channels but since higher channels are already at a higher potential, the voltage (and current flowing) there gets comparably bigger than the lower channel. This is the reason why we add them to the higher channels from S8 to top channel. SMBJ75A is added so that there won't always be leakage through the diodes attached to the S-Channels (since they are forward biased) which will cause measurement errors, and this diode will only get activated when there is a surge transient above 121V.

    The green marked voltages are voltage of that node when surge happens; RED is the current flowing at each node. As you can see the highest channel has the highest current flow, then the second biggest is the channel below that, and so on.S8 is when the current is low enough that it will not damage the internal structure even in the vent of surge.

    Are these parts intended mainly for ESD, transient suppression, hot-plug stress, balancing switch protection, or some other specific condition?

    These are mainly for transient suppression as mentioned above. You can use any part similar to BAV70 for this purpose.

    For our design, we are implementing passive balancing with external N-channel MOSFETs, following the concept shown in Figure 40 of the datasheet.
    Because I did not fully understand the reason for placing the clamp only on the upper channels in the eval board, I initially added the clamp network on every SxP and SxN pair in our redesign.

    For FSAE designs external balancing is not really necessary, but if you need more than 300mA of balancing current you can design external balancing circuit. Your circuit can have the footprint for all the clamps and later during testing if you observe damages due to surge you can start populating them later. You r circuit here makes sense, there might be small leakage due to the TVS at higher temperatures but even then it will not cause any major error in measurement. 

    1. Difference between datasheet figures and eval board values
      I also noticed that the component values used in the eval board differ significantly from the values shown in the datasheet figures:
    • In the functional block diagram, the balancing-related resistors are shown as 10 ohm and the capacitor as 100 nF.
    • In the evaluation board schematic, I see 15 ohm resistors and 0.22 uF capacitors in the balancing-related path.
      I understand that the functional block diagram is not necessarily intended as a design-ready application schematic, but I would still appreciate clarification on the practical design guidance here.

    The balancing resistor value depends on the balancing current you will need in your system. This value is custom for each user according to the maximum balancing current needed. if you use lower balancing resistor you will have more balancing current for the same battery voltage. the datasheet figure and eval board figures are different because of this reason. 

    Since ADI is one of our sponsors, we would like to document this topic properly and avoid any major design mistake before finalizing the new board.
    If useful, we can also share our updated schematic by email for review.

    If you are an FSAE student, please check your document package from ADI for the email to reach out for support. We have a dedicated team for helping ADI sponsored FSAE student groups. 

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