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Issues Isolation on LTC6813-1 Board

Hello all,

I am a student who is having an issue with their PCB design. I am attempting to use a 6813-1 to passively discharge 18 cells. I have a PCB that when cells are attached has voltages appear all over the board in ways I cannot explain, that and the chip begins to overheat and burn out. I am stumped as to why this is occurring. I assume I am either missing something with my schematic or the board layout is faulty. 

As for how I am attaching the cells, I start from the lowest potential position attaching a cell between C0 and C1, then in between C1 and C2 and so on until I have 5 cells on the board. Around the fourth cell is when the chip starts heating up, however discharge paths will begin to open on their own as soon as the second cell is placed. I have tried removing the chip and found that the voltage stops appearing on the gates of the P-Channel FETs that open/close the discharge path.

To clarify and restate, when I attach cells to the board, the chip seems to allow voltage on the S pins, even before the chip turns on. 

As for powering the chip, I short the highest potential cell's anode to the V+ pin and I expect the simple linear regulator specified in the data sheet would regulate Vreg to 5V. That being said, Vreg was never generated, for the LED attached to its location never lit. 

Figure 1. LTC6813 and peripherals, the four wires going off the the top of the page are Iso-SPI lines. 

Figure 2. 3 highest potential discharge traces, there are 18 identical discharge paths total.

Figure 3. PCB, where each cell is attached in between the Bx square pads. There are also internal discharge traces and a ground plane that are not shown. 

I am really looking for any explanations as to why these voltages are moving through the chip into the s-pins. 

I would appreciate any advice, or any obvious remarks about things my design is missing. Thanks,

  • The FETs should not turn on regardless of the order cells are plugged in, and it is impossible to configure the IC to balance adjacent cells at the same time for safety.

    I notice that B1 is on cell 18 input, B2 on cell 17, B3 on cell 16.  Is B1 cell 1, B2 cell 2, and B3 cell 3?  If so, the polarity of the cells is reverse from what it should be.  C0 should be the - side of cell 1, C1 the + side of cell 1, C2 the + side of cell 2, and so on. Figure 40b shows how to connect the S pins to the FET for each channel, and the DC3036A uses a very similar balancing circuit you can reference.  If reversed current could conduct through the FET body diodes and could explain why multiple adjacent FETs are conducting.

  • Hello, and thank you for the response!

    The Bx reference designators are just inverted, a bad naming convention.

    The lowest potential point is tied to C0, the anode of battery one is tied to C1, the anode of battery two is tied to C2, etc. 

  • Can you measure the voltage on the S1 pin when you plug in the first cell?  Does it stay the same as C1 or drop down to a lower voltage at all?  A somewhat common mistake is connecting the shift the S pins down from their correct FET connection, but this is not an issue in your attached schematic.  I'm curious whether it is showing a lower voltage that could partially turn on the FET.

    It could also be helpful to see the bottom few cell connections on your circuit.

  • I will get your information on S pin voltages ASAP tomorrow, as of right now, here are the lowest potential battery discharge loops.

     

    Thank you!

  • Here is a table of voltages in relation to C0 when 5 cells are connected. Note: C5 is connected to V+ in an attempt to power the LTC6813 with the simple linear regulator setup mentioned in the data sheet. 

  • Those S pin voltages are way lower than they should be.  S5 is especially concerning.  Is there anything else attached to the S pins on your board?

    If not I'd ensure you have the correct pinout for the MOSFETs.  Based on schematic pin numbers it looks correct but is the footprint also using the correct pin numbers?

    It sounds like your IC is also broken now, as a pin as high as S5 shouldn't be able to go down so much and C4 should definitely not be higher than C5.  Can you also depopulate the SZMMSZ39T1G diodes (and check that their polarity was correct)?  I don't think they'll help (or hurt) but want to remove any points for failure.

  • A simple mistake with the Diodes being populated incorrectly. We resolved this issue and have another issue that popped up with reading Iso-SPI. However that Answers that Question, thank you! 

    Another post will be made in regards to the Iso-SPI issue.