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Using 2 or 4 electrodes for 4-Wire, Bio-Isolated Impedance?

I beg an excuse for my stupid question.

It is about  4-Wire, Bio-Isolated Impedance Measurement Applications (described in AN-1302).

We want to build into a wrist held device this type of measurement. The SW is mostly ready but the HW is still open because is not clear (for stupid me) how to use and how to place these 4 electrodes

Let's have look at the following picture:

There are 2 opinions:

1) The 4 wires are used to eliminate the influence on the voltage drop in wires on the measurement results. Then UNKNOWN Z is the human body. That means for a wrist held device that only 2 (two) electrodes are required, and because it we would like to use Bio-Isolated Impedance the external capacitors (Ciso) and the OpAmp AD8226 are required. It is also unclear about Raccess resistors - should they be or not.

2) The 4 wires are connected to 4 (four) electrodes in contact with human skin. In this case the positioning of electrodes might be important. Before posting this question I did some Googling. It is obvious, I could not find the answer, but I saw implementations where the electrodes are in one line and the excitation electrodes are at the both ends while the measurement electrodes are placed in between.

In our setup the 4 electrodes are in the corners of a square with a side approx 12mm.

I have tried to calibrate the sensor using different resistors and 4 wires connected to 2 electrodes. This was working perfect. I tried to connect myself instead of UNKNOWN Z and got a magnitude between 20-40kOhm.

Then I attached the board with 4 electrodes on it to my skin and the magnitude in this case was in the range or below 1kOhm.

Now I am puzzled what to do? What is the right way to use the ADuMC350 for 4-wire Bio-Isolated Impedance Measurement Application???

We spent a lot of time trying to find the correct answer and now we are completely out of time,  i.e. as usual - having an answer is more than urgent! Help!!!

Best Regards,

Sergey 

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  • Hi Mark,

     

    Thank you again for answering my questions!

    Finally I understood (more or less) what does the ADuCM350 chip and what is the main reason for our problem - the geometry of our setup!

     

    As I said the target is a wrist held device which could detect the heart beat in the bio-impedance measurements. The electrodes are small (4x4mm) and the distance between the (centers of) electrodes  is also small (15 mm  square).

    Due to the small distance between the electrodes the resistance is also small (in the range of 100 Ohm or lower) and the resolution, in number of ADC steps, in far too low.

    I understood why, when I had connected electrodes in pairs, I got a higher resistance / magnitude! When using 2 electrodes the Raccess is not excluded thus the magnitude value included also 2xRaccess.

     

    Last two days I spent thinking how to solve the problem.  

    There are almost no options:

    1) Decrease RCAL from 1kOhm to 100 Ohm to have it in the range of the Zunknown?

    2) Increase the gain of  the AD8226 OpAmp to fit better to the ADC input range? But there are some  bandwidth limitation so the gain and/or the excitation frequency has to be limited? Use two OpAmps?

    3) Decrease somehow the Raccess to increase the voltage thus the current on Zuknown?

    4) Use 4-wires not Bio-Isolated ?? I do not see why it might be better in our case but just to mention it

     

    What would be your approach? Is there a "magical solution"?

     

    Best Regards,
    Sergey
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  • Hi Mark,

     

    Thank you again for answering my questions!

    Finally I understood (more or less) what does the ADuCM350 chip and what is the main reason for our problem - the geometry of our setup!

     

    As I said the target is a wrist held device which could detect the heart beat in the bio-impedance measurements. The electrodes are small (4x4mm) and the distance between the (centers of) electrodes  is also small (15 mm  square).

    Due to the small distance between the electrodes the resistance is also small (in the range of 100 Ohm or lower) and the resolution, in number of ADC steps, in far too low.

    I understood why, when I had connected electrodes in pairs, I got a higher resistance / magnitude! When using 2 electrodes the Raccess is not excluded thus the magnitude value included also 2xRaccess.

     

    Last two days I spent thinking how to solve the problem.  

    There are almost no options:

    1) Decrease RCAL from 1kOhm to 100 Ohm to have it in the range of the Zunknown?

    2) Increase the gain of  the AD8226 OpAmp to fit better to the ADC input range? But there are some  bandwidth limitation so the gain and/or the excitation frequency has to be limited? Use two OpAmps?

    3) Decrease somehow the Raccess to increase the voltage thus the current on Zuknown?

    4) Use 4-wires not Bio-Isolated ?? I do not see why it might be better in our case but just to mention it

     

    What would be your approach? Is there a "magical solution"?

     

    Best Regards,
    Sergey
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