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LTC2851 RS485 communication issue, possible contention

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The user encountered issues with a multi-drop full-duplex RS485 bus using LTC2851 boards, where replies from devices were heavily attenuated due to bus contention. The final answer confirmed that the LTC2851 defaults to always driving the bus and lacks enable (DE and RE) pins, making it unsuitable for multi-drop configurations. The user noted that this limitation should be more clearly stated in the datasheet, which also covers the LTC2850 and LTC2852.
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Category: Hardware
Product Number: LTC2851

I have a multi-drop full-duplex RS485 bus using a series of boards all containing an LTC2851. I can send to the bus without issue but when the devices attempt to reply I'm getting nothing back, upon inspection I can see the bus data but it's heavily attenuated. What I believe is happening is contention on the TX pair, the boards are addressed so only a single device is trying to respond at any given time, however I realised that the LTC2851 parts do not have a DE pin and it seems they default to always driving the bus.

I was under the impression that they defaulted to a tri-state mode but I guess that's not true? Is it at all possible to have a multi-drop bus using the LTC2851 or is this part only capable of point-to-point RS485?

  • Hi,

    The LTC2851 is a full-duplex RS485 transceiver without enable (DE and RE) pins. Driver and receiver are active whenever the part is powered. LTC2852, with DE and RE pins, provides impedance outputs when the driver is disabled. To disable LTC2851’s driver, you can power down the part, and the receiver will also be disabled. A full-duplex RS485 transceiver without enable pins is typically for point-to-point applications. For multi-drop applications, enable pins are required.

    Best,

    Jane

  • That's unfortunate, I'll have to devise a workaround for our application.

    While it seems kind of obvious now, I feel like this should be called out a bit more clearly on the datasheet for that part, it's a shared data sheet for parts that can be used in a multi-drop bus (LTC2850 and LTC2852) and that bus configuration is frequently eluded to in the datasheet without any specific mention of the limitations of this particular part, in fact there is no mention of a point-to-point application anywhere in the datasheet.

  • Hi,

    Thank you for your feedback. We can add application information for LTC2851 when we revise this datasheet. Though the current LTC2850/LTC2851/LTC2852 datasheet does not provide the typical application circuit for LTC2851, we provide two typical multinode network applications on page 13 for half-duplex transceiver (LTC2850) and on page 18 for full-duplex transceiver (LTC2852).

    Best,

    Jane