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LT8310 Duty Control + Minimum Load & FB MODE

Category: Hardware
Product Number: LT8310

Hello,

I am using the LT8310 in a design for a 9V to 15V, 60W output forward converter. I do not need precise line regulation and am pleased with the performance form the duty mode control alone. 

That being said -- I do have operational constraints to supply a very light load on occasion and remain under ~14 to 15V (but the output drifts up to 18 to 20V or higher for light loads). The nominal load expected is above 10W and typically more in the 30W range -- however it could feasibly drop down to 1W or even much less.

One solution is to add a passive or active load... but that uses unnecessary power. Another solution is to add isolated feedback to allow for current mode control pulse skipping -- but I do not want to have to compensate the isolated feedback network and worry about loop stability (I am pleased with the simple CDFILT compensation in duty mode control).

While experimenting with isolated feedback (using an ADuM4190) in LTSpice I found something interesting... If I set RVDIN RSET resistor to get 12V in duty mode control... But then I add isolated feedback with a setpoint of 14.5V I get the following behavoir:

  • When load is above Imin (>0.5A) --> Duty mode control appears to dominate and the converter stays at ~12V
  • When load is below Imin --> Vout drifts upwards to ~14.5V and then the feedback control appears to kick in and regulate the output

I am a fan on this implementation because it allows me to not worry so much about closed loop stability since the light load condition does not happen often / is not a critical use case.

I am concerned however that this behavoir is not "real" / is something wrong with the SPICE model for the part. 

The datasheet states that when FBX is above 0.3V -- current mode control is in place, not duty mode... however per the simulation it appears that if FBX > 0.3V, duty mode control takes precedence so long as Imin load is satisfied for the given RDVIN RSET setpoint and the output voltage is less than the feedback setpoint. Unless I missed it... this behavior is not discussed in the datasheet.

So my question is essentially: Is the simulation correct? Or is it just a some incorrect model setting for the part?

Relevant circuitry:

Waveforms showing what appears to be current mode control taking over at light load and duty mode control taking over once load is large enough:

Versus the behavior with FBX shorted to GND and no isolated feedback connected to Vc:



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[edited by: wolfhorton at 4:03 AM (GMT -4) on 19 Aug 2022]
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  • Hi wolfhorton,

    Thank you very much for your participation in this community by reporting a possible issue in one of our device models.
    I have contacted the ADI experts on this device to review the application circuit design and the LTspice model.

    An internal team will correct this model and you will need to update your library via SYNC RELEASE under TOOLS.
    We hope to give you an update as soon as possible.

  • Hello:

    The LT8310 in your schematic is set to operate with VC pin control (FBX setting). The output voltage needs to be set to the required 12V level for the circuit to regulate. The LT8310 has duty cycle limit that is set to 12V but this happens only when load is high. at low loads the output voltage will go to 14.5V and that is normal. The LT8310 was not intended to operate in both modes at the same time.

    We recommend using the simple circuit on page 33 of data sheet. That circuit will work in this application and it will be stable over all operating conditions.

    The LTspice model is correct. All details of LT8310 are not show in the block diagram. However, the model will function properly when part is set in either mode of intended operation.

    The RVDIN needs to be set for higher Vout (i.e. 15V) for the circuit to operate properly with output voltage control (via opto coupler).

    Best Regards,

    GPerica

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  • Hello:

    The LT8310 in your schematic is set to operate with VC pin control (FBX setting). The output voltage needs to be set to the required 12V level for the circuit to regulate. The LT8310 has duty cycle limit that is set to 12V but this happens only when load is high. at low loads the output voltage will go to 14.5V and that is normal. The LT8310 was not intended to operate in both modes at the same time.

    We recommend using the simple circuit on page 33 of data sheet. That circuit will work in this application and it will be stable over all operating conditions.

    The LTspice model is correct. All details of LT8310 are not show in the block diagram. However, the model will function properly when part is set in either mode of intended operation.

    The RVDIN needs to be set for higher Vout (i.e. 15V) for the circuit to operate properly with output voltage control (via opto coupler).

    Best Regards,

    GPerica

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