We have set up EVAL-CN0359 and have the following problem. We are measuring the voltage from J5 pins 2 or 3. These feed AD8253. We see the expected distorted square wave on the scope but it is floating up and down between the rails. Page 18 of the datasheet for AD8253 possibly implies that the inputs are not stabilized by a bias current path to ground in the CN0359 layout. See also fig. 6 of your article by Kitchin concerning "Common Problems When Designing Amplifier Circuits". Any advice here? Thanks--Fritz
Hello EZ! Below is a more detailed explanation of the fix above:
CN0359 setting: Excitation voltage: 0.3V, Excitation frequency: 100Hz~10kHz, Cell constant: 0.68/cm
We have some preliminary testing done with a TOPAC probe that we have available here and we have seen no anomalies on the output signal. We have tested it with varying resistor values in place…
Is there a conductivity probe connected on J5? If there is, can you send me the product page for it? Also, can you send a snapshot from the signal captured on your scope? I'll try to recreate the cause of the floating effect you're seeing
It is correct that a current return path is needed, especially for AC coupled signals. The CN0359 does not use AC-coupling on the signal. The current driving the conductivity probe enters through one of the electrodes (the one connected to pin 1 of J5 and/or pin 2 if it is a 2-electrode probe) and has its return path via the trans-impedance amplifier U19.
Nikko-I am attaching pics of the scope shots.
The first one is a time lapse showing the gradual drift of the overall signal. The other shots are of pins 1,2,and 3 w.r.t ground.
I was looking at the datasheet of your conductivity cell you have sent. The CN0359 board had come out from the factory with the following settings:
I was looking at the datasheet of your conductivity cell you have sent and it seems that it is not matched.
Could you try changing the settings and let us know if this made any difference?
Glenn Thank you for your reply and sorry for the late response. We have been deliberating on this and I wanted to try to thoroughly understand the problem. Here is some more focused information:
We are running the system within spec for our probe. The IST sensor mandates less than V=0.35 (e.g. 0.7 Vpp). We set f=1kHz and leave the timing parameters alone. We set the cell constant to that in the IST datasheet (e.g 0.68)
We are measuring the output of diff. amp. U15 with respect to the circuit ground.
With the above setup we see the down drift shown in the scope shoots that we posted.
If we crank up the voltage beyond the recommendation by IST, to 2Vpp, the drift seems to go away. This however ultimately damages the sensor and we have seen this.
The only other clue is that adding a 1M resistor to pin2 of the conductivity cell connector seems to slow but not stop the drift.
I would like to check a couple of things on the board.
1. Reference voltage on pin 9 of U15 w.r.t. ground. This should be ~1.65V
2. Short pins 2 and 3 of J5 to ground and measure output of U15. This should give you ~1.65V at the output of the amp.
3. What is the coupling and impedance of the probe used? This should be DC coupled and set to high impedance to avoid loading of the probe.
4. Can we try increasing the frequency used for the measurement? We are currently at 1kHz and the specified range of your cell is from 100Hz to 10kHz.
1- pin 9 shows 1.64
2- The output of U15 with 2&3 at gnd shows 1.828V
3-Our probe is 10M 11pf
4-We did the above at 0.3V and 1kHz. At 5.1kHz it is roughly the same, the U15 output showing 1.838V
We did all of this on a new board. Looking at the output of U15 at 5.1kHz, 0.3V and with the IST sensor, we still see the gradual drift to the rails.
Any further action on this? We are experiencing plating on our probes, very likely due to this phenomenon. Are you equipped to set up this circuit in your lab and duplicate our results?
Apologies on the delay.
Based on the data that you sent. The system looks to be working fine. I am thinking if the probe that you have could be not functioning the way it is. This could be the overvoltage condition on the earlier part and the added plating on the probes. What kind of plating do you have on the probe?
Do you happen to have an extra probe to try this out? We have the board but do not have your exact same probe.