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Inquiry: Dynamic Envelope Shaping of a 350MHz Carrier using AD8367 V_gain Control

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The user inquires about using the AD8367 in VGA mode to dynamically shape the envelope of a 350MHz AM-modulated signal with a 1MHz sine-wave envelope. The final answer confirms the AD8367 has sufficient small-signal bandwidth (~5 MHz) for 1MHz modulation but notes that the gain control is nonlinear (exponential in dB). The ADL5391 is suggested as an alternative for linear envelope scaling. No significant gain profile distortion is expected at 1MHz, but high-amplitude pulse drives with rise/fall times below 200 ns are inadvisable.
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Category: Datasheet/Specs
Product Number: AD8367

Hello,

I am designing a system to perform dynamic envelope shaping of an AM-modulated signal using the AD8367 in VGA mode. I would like to verify the feasibility of the following operation:

[Operational Scenario]

  • Input Signal: A 350MHz carrier with a 1MHz sine-wave amplitude envelope.

  • Goal: I want to "exaggerate" the envelope by driving the V_GAIN with a 1MHz control signal that is perfectly phase-aligned with the input signal's envelope.

  • Desired Effect: By increasing the gain specifically at the peaks of the input envelope and decreasing it at the troughs, I aim to create a more "convex" or "peaked" output envelope compared to the input.

[Questions]

  1. Feasibility of Dynamic Shaping: Is the AD8367 capable of performing this type of non-linear envelope scaling by varying the V_GAIN voltage in real-time at a 1MHz rate? Are there any internal architectural reasons why the output might not follow the V_GAIN modulation as intended?

  2. V_GAIN Bandwidth/Response: Does the V_GAIN interface have sufficient small-signal bandwidth to accurately track a 1MHz modulation signal? Specifically, will there be significant distortion or "smearing" of the gain profile when the gain is updated every microsecond?

I am planning to calibrate the propagation delays manually through testing, but I would appreciate your confirmation on the fundamental capability of the AD8367 for this high-speed dynamic gain control application.

Best regards,

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  • Here is a snippet from the datasheet that speaks to the bandwidth of the GAIN input pin.

     

    “The AD8367 can be used as a means of modulating the signal level. Keep in mind, however, that the gain is a nonlinear (exponential) function of VGAIN; thus, it is not suitable for normal amplitude-modulation functions. The small signal bandwidth of the gain interface is ~5 MHz, and the slew rate is of the order of ±500 dB/μs. During gain slewing from close to minimum to maximum gain (or vice versa), the internal interpolation processes in an X-AMP-based VGA rapidly scan the full range of gain values. The gain and offset ripple associated with this process can cause transient disturbances in the output. Therefore, it is inadvisable to use high amplitude pulse drives with rise and fall times below 200 ns”

     

    So bandwidth-wise, you should be good to go. But remember that the gain control is linear in dB, not linear in V/V. So your are not going to have  a 1:1 linear relationship between your modulating signal (the signal you apply to the GAIN pin) and the resulting  output envelope of the signal. If this is an issue, you may want to consider using an analog multiplier circuit such as ADL5391.  

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  • Here is a snippet from the datasheet that speaks to the bandwidth of the GAIN input pin.

     

    “The AD8367 can be used as a means of modulating the signal level. Keep in mind, however, that the gain is a nonlinear (exponential) function of VGAIN; thus, it is not suitable for normal amplitude-modulation functions. The small signal bandwidth of the gain interface is ~5 MHz, and the slew rate is of the order of ±500 dB/μs. During gain slewing from close to minimum to maximum gain (or vice versa), the internal interpolation processes in an X-AMP-based VGA rapidly scan the full range of gain values. The gain and offset ripple associated with this process can cause transient disturbances in the output. Therefore, it is inadvisable to use high amplitude pulse drives with rise and fall times below 200 ns”

     

    So bandwidth-wise, you should be good to go. But remember that the gain control is linear in dB, not linear in V/V. So your are not going to have  a 1:1 linear relationship between your modulating signal (the signal you apply to the GAIN pin) and the resulting  output envelope of the signal. If this is an issue, you may want to consider using an analog multiplier circuit such as ADL5391.  

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