AD7988-1, differential input, common mode rejection on VCOM

Hi Richard,

Are you referring to the IN+ and IN- of the OP2177 or the AD7988? It is not indicated in the datasheet of the OP2177, but the input impedance of amplifiers are generally very high, typically in the range of Mohms or higher. The OP2177 also has a CMRR of 120dB minimum.

If instead you are referring to the impedance and CMRR of the AD7988, I will request our administrator to move this thread to the Precision ADC community. I believe they will be able to help you with your concern.

Thanks!

Kris

I was referring to connection of VCOM to the -IN of the ADC along with VSIG to the +IN which come from the OP2177 device.

I can set VREF to 4.096V using ADR43x, so we have signal range +/-2V on VCOM =2.0V.

I wish to establish common mode performance of the ADC based on above.

The OP2177 is used for x1 to x100 gain stage (digital pot).  It does not do common mode rejection.

The sampling rate is 1KSPS. I also looking into AD7732 which is sigma delta. I trying to figure out pro and con, the only con I can see that AD7732 need external XTAL.

I will attached picture this evening, the internet here is pretty bad.

R.

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NB: The ROUT and COUT subject to review depending on drive to IN+ and IN-. Should each COUT tied to RCVGND for both +IN and -IN?

The signal size is +/-2V on 2V0COM (virtual common) using TI op-amp (anycap series)

Regards

Hi,

To answer your initial questions on the AD7988-1:

(1) The impedance of the IN+ and IN- is low but datasheet quoted that for high speed and (2) The impedance may be inbalance, not clear on datasheet

• The AD7988-1 has a dynamic impedance by virtue of its architecture. Please see Figure 32 on page 16 of the datasheet. In the acquisition phase, the impedance of the analog inputs (IN+ and IN−) can be modeled as a parallel combination of Capacitor CPIN and the network formed by the series connection of RIN and CIN. During conversion, input impedance is limited to CPIN.

(3) The common mode rejection between +IN and -IN is not clear on datasheet

• The analog input CMRR is under the analog input specifications. For an input of 1kHz, it is 60 dB.

I am curious as to why you opted for the two-channel version of the OPx177 family. What do you use the other channel for? We do have a Circuits from the Lab reference circuit for AD7988-5. You may check CN0305 (http://www.analog.com/en/circuits-from-the-lab/CN0305/vc.html) for reference and to see the system performance.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Karen

Hi Karen

Thank for the reply

(1) The common mode rejection remains unclear when used with AIN- to 2V0COM and AIN+ to signal input. It is not quoted in the datasheet under this configuration. This apply to specific setup that I cannot use.  

(2) The CN0305 is based on AIN- connected to AGND, rather than 2V0COM. Also the PSU is different where I only operate to 0V (AGND) to 5V. My question is this: would the system performance in CN0305 actually apply to the circuit I was trying to implement, if not, what would be a significant change?

(3) The schematic is only snapshoot of the circuit I used, there are several op-amp prior to this circuit.

I trying to affirm confidence in using AD7788-1 based on schematic I provided, I see no example or performance parameter in the datasheet since they use different setup. 

I was wondering what the pro and con between AD7732 (SD) and AD7788-1 (SAR)? The sample rate is 1KSPS. One pro of AD7732 that it has buffer and high impedance input. The con of AD7732 that it specified to 105C (not 125C).

Regards

R.

Hi,

The 60dB analog input CMRR typical spec should be close to what you'll achieve. The AD7988-1 is a pseudo differential input device, so it's effectively single-ended. As stated in the datasheet, the IN- pin should be connected to the analog ground plane or to a remote sense ground. You can't connect it to 2V as IN- is specified to have min/max values of -0.1V/0.1V only.

The main advantage of the AD7732 would be its higher resolution of 24 bits compared to AD7988’s 16 bits. On the other hand, it has data throughput of up to a 15.4 kHz only as compared to the AD7988 100kHz but since you are sampling at 1ksps only, this shouldn’t be a problem. Now your input signal is bipolar, so I'm thinking the AD7732 is more suited for your application. Let us know what your other considerations are.

Regards,

Karen

Thank, that the answer I'm looking for.