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For problems encountered when testing power loop response with the ADALM2000

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I'm an application engineer. I have some questions when using some of ANALOG DEVICES's chips. 

We encountered some problems in loop response testing with network analyzer ADALM2000.  According to your article "ADALM2000 Measuring Loop Gain" published in the ADI Forum Student section in July 2019, we have tried to build the following circuit. 

According to your test method, the functional relationship between PSRR and FREQUENCY of LM338 operational amplifier is measured.  As shown below.

Because of this successful test we now want to test the loop response of the switching power supply with the ADALM2000. But we tried a variety of ADI DEMO circuits including the ADP5052 and LTC3894.  Test the output part of the switching power supply according to the wiring mode below.

However, the loop response test results of the switching power supply are not satisfactory.  After several tests, the PSRR does not change with the increase of FREQUENCY but maintains a value greater than 0.  As shown below.

We have tried a number of approaches to this problem. We tried to modify the injection voltage, feedback resistance and other parameters can not be measured.  And because there is no example of using ADALM2000 to test the loop response of switching power supply in the forum, I would like to ask you whether you can use ADALM2000 test by analogy.  If so, what are the precautions in the test process?

  • Hello,

    So you were able to reproduce successfully the hardware setup  / measurements from `ADALM2000 Measuring Loop Gain`?

    Can you please provide the exact hardware setup that you are using in your custom experiment?

    Also, you might find some useful information about power supply loops tests/designs here: https://www.analog.com/en/technical-articles/power-supply-loop-stability-loop-compensation.html

    Regards,

    Antoniu

  • Thanks for getting back to me.

    There's a photo of the test equipment.

    As you can see, our hardware equipment includes an ADP5051 DEMO board, the main changes are the addition of a 10 ohm injection resistor in the second channel of 3.3V output voltage, and a WB1010-1 transformer by way of flying wire.

    This is a picture of the circuit we tested.

    We believe that the circuit diagram is the same as that required by the specification for testing loop response. Attached is a sheet of the circuit used for testing in the manual.

    Regards,

    Wang

  • Hello,

    Thanks for the additional information. From the picture you sent with the hardware setup I can see 3 wires connected from the ADALM2000 which I suppose that represent W1, 1+ and 2+. Do you have a common ground between ADALM2000 and ADP5051 demo board?

    Another way to debug things is to try and simulate your circuit with: www.analog.com/.../ltspice-simulator.html

    This might narrow down the possible issues.

    Regards,

    Antoniu

  • Thanks for the quick reply.

    For your doubts, we make a common ground between ADALM2000 and demo board.  We now suspect the PCB trace parasitic inductance or capacitance can cause additional errors to loop Bode models. Or the problem is located in the transformer?  But that's just a guess. 

    Meanwhile, I noticed ADALM2000 have AD-M2KBNC-EBZ, a BNC adapter board of ADALM2000. Whether this adapter is required when using the ADALM2000?

    Is it because the amplitude of the injected signal through the fly-line test is only 50mV when it is disturbed by noise? However, when we tried to increase the injection voltage to 5V, the waveform still did not appear. Is it necessary to redraw the PCB with the ADP5051 power chip and make a new transformer for testing?

    As for the use of LTpowerCAD, I believe the products designed by your company are in line with the test. But due to external component value inaccuracy and variations, there will be some difference between the actual test results and the simulation results. And because there are different power chips including switching power supply or DCDC power supply chip, the ADALM2000 method may be more convenient and quick in the future.

    Looking forward to your insight.

    Best wish,

    Wang